1. Update on facilities openings – Ginsberg
[Editor’s note: Harvey’s motion was as follows: open the clubhouse to the residents only, no guests, from 8am to 4pm, seven days a week, effective October 11, 2021; masks are strongly advised if there are less than 20 people; if more than 20 people masks are mandatory; card rooms – six feet apart, billiards – social distancing which is generally six feet apart; no more than 40 people for now; no parties right now; no movies right now; no eating events right now; there will be periodic reviews; Indoor Fitness Center – keep as is; disclaimer will be posted: you are using the amenities at your own risk.
The motion was seconded by Alan. Sue was concerned that this was not in compliance with the CDC and Palm Beach County guidelines and in conformity therewith, so she moved to amend the motion to state that everyone wear a mask in public indoor settings. That amendment did not get a Second, so the original motion was voted on; The vote was 6-1 with Sue objecting for the reason stated.]
2. Update on Asphalt project - Dingee
[Editor’s note: Bob reported that the project is basically done, they are doing the final touch-ups, and the office is monitoring it.]
3. Gateway Plus Status - Ginsberg
[Editor’s note: Harvey stated that the initial problems with the call-in number have been resolved and that there is a link to a tutorial on the HOA website. There are lots of unhappy residents that believe “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” Many residents are perfectly content with the system which was working fine.
The new system may be very convenient for some tech-savvy residents, but the rest of the residents are paying more per month than they did before in order to accommodate these individuals with this new system but which they don’t want any part of it. There is a monthly increase to the HOA for this service.
Perhaps this system was premature and would have been better received in the future when younger residents who are theoretically more tech-savvy move in. It appears to have been a “want” as opposed to a “need,” and so we question the fiscal responsibility of the vote on this issue although we do see both sides of the issue. In any event, it appears to be here to stay.]
1. Professional reserve study, $6200 - R. Greene
[Editor’s note: Richard reported that a study was done in 2018 and that it is recommended every three to five years and that he would like to start this in January 2022, especially because the community got a new roof, new roads, and windows for the fitness center. Sue seconded the motion made by Richard. Alan noted that past professional reserve studies were not accurate and opined if it were the same firm, to which Richard stated it was not. It passed unanimously.]
2. APC Sidewalk replacement $16,455.00 – Green
[Editor’s note: tree roots uproot sidewalks, and the sidewalks need to be repaired. This seems expensive, but that appears to be because the problem is extensive, and Palm Beach County does not permit removal of hardwood trees. Were there multiple bids? Unknown. Was the price negotiated? Unknown.
Jeff moved to approve the contract; the motion was seconded by Harvey, and it appeared to be seconded by Linda as well. Richard stated that the money is in the budget. The motion passed unanimously.]
3. Beautification of front entrance $9896 - Green
[Editor’s note: Jeff stated there were three different proposals. One: electrifying the area, four posts, $3,380; two: lanterns at $204 each for $816; three: decorative stone installation for $5,700. Richard seconded the motion.
Sue was concerned because there was no complete sketch or artist rendering, and for that reason she opposed the motion. The motion passed 6 – 1; Sue said she needed to see it and for that reason, she voted no. We agree with Sue on this. There is so much involved that was not discussed: what type of facing, what colors, where are some samples? For $10,000 it shouldn’t be too much to expect more details.]
4. PBB – Root pruning and barrier - $4,254 - Arbeit
[Editor’s note: Linda stated that this was a standard contract. Deborah stated that community tree roots were pulling up rear patio pavers. This is behind Corbel Lake Way and Polly Park Lane. Deborah stated that this is a preventative measure. Linda made the motion to approve this proposal, Sue seconded the motion, and it passed unanimously.]
5. PBB – Beautification of front of guard gate - $9,132 -Arbeit
[Editor’s note: Linda stated that they did not have a rendering of this, but that plants will be pulled up in the entire area and different plants will be replacing those plants. She made the motion; Deborah and Richard stated that this is in the 2021 budget. Harvey seconded the motion.
Sue was concerned because she asked for a separation of materials and labor and that without a breakdown she queried if this were really necessary. She noted that it was a lot of money and “not one of our best investments.” Jeff stated that to some extent he agreed with her. He stated that in other communities the landscapers do not break it down and that it is “industry standard.”
We do not believe that any proposal should be approved without a breakdown of materials and labor. It is, in our opinion, unconscionable to waive this basic requirement. Everyone has a right to know what they are paying for. If every other community is not requiring a breakdown of labor and materials, then they’re all doing it wrong and we shouldn’t be emulating that.
Richard stated that “our landscaping costs are significantly less than other communities.” To that we say, “irrelevant.” That does not excuse what should be a basic requirement: to delineate between and to breakdown the costs of materials and the labor costs separately. This is a bad precedent. And we believe that Richard was referring to the general landscaping contract, which has nothing to do with this additional proposal.
The vote was 6 – 1 in favor of approving the motion. Sue abstained and said she was “very conflicted.” We agree with Sue: it is not that we are opposed to the proposal per se; we just believe that no proposal of this nature should be accepted without a breakdown of materials and labor. To us, not to do so offends our sense of fundamental fairness.
Also, without a breakdown, it’s harder to negotiate the price. You have to know exactly what your being charged for in order to effectively negotiate. It doesn’t seem as if there was any attempt to negotiate at all. Why not?]
6. NYE Party & 2022 Show series- Greene
[Editor’s note: Richard made the motion to approve the New Year’s Eve contract; price unknown and not stated. The party will be off site, at Wood & Fire’s outside patio on Atlantic Avenue in Delray Beach. They have a minimum of 100 people that must be guaranteed. The price is $95 per person.
Deborah stated, “they are renting tents to enclose the area so if there is inclement weather they will not be cancelling.” Doesn’t that make it an indoor event if they enclose the area? Deborah then stated, “depending on the number of people, they may extend it into the restaurant.” Aha, so it is potentially indoors after all. So why not just have the event here on campus?
Put tents in the parking lot if you must, because now you’re having people travel and mingle outside the community, onto the heavily trafficked Atlantic Avenue where the venue is located, and then drive home with potentially inebriated revelers on the roads with them. How is any of this safer? It’s actually increasing your risk of harm in a multitude of ways.
And is the restaurant going to be open to other partiers? Probably. They’re a business and that’s a big night for restaurants, probably the biggest night of the year. Anyway, buyer beware. Sue seconded the motion and it passed unanimously.]
7. PBB – Flow Sensors $9250 – Arbeit
[Editor’s note: this has to do with the irrigation system. It was already done in Landon pod; this is for Glenville, Corbel, and Angel Wing pods. Linda moved to approve Proposal 81-20; Sue seconded it. Richard said that only part of it was in the budget, but it is a good idea because it will reduce our costs going forward, although he did not explain how, and we would have liked to know. It passed unanimously.]
8. PBB – Crown Reduction of Parking Lot Trees - $1575 (O) Arbeit
[Editor’s note: Linda stated this was a standard proposal and moved to approve it; Harvey seconded it, and it passed unanimously.]
Second Residents’ Input Session:
1. Richard Levy:
[Editor’s note: Richard Levy mentioned that a few years ago the Board voted to inform the community of any untoward incidents, including break-ins, crimes, etc. He was concerned that the community was not informed of the recent vehicle break-in on the 5100 block of Pelican Cove.
He said that he informed Jeff D. Green, the president, and expected it to be noticed to the community. Jeff argued privacy issues, which was absurd because the break-in is posted on the Palm Beach Sheriff Office’s public mapping system online.]
Jeff: “because I felt the person whose car was broken into, if they wanted it public would let us know…”
[Editor’s note: what you “feel” is irrelevant. You had an obligation to follow the prior Board’s vote and disclose this information to the community. This isn’t about feelings. It’s about following the rules. Jeff then stated he didn’t want to panic the community. This is nonsense. It’s public knowledge and the community has a right to be informed.]
Richard Levy: “it was voted by a past Board to put it out… the rest of the people hear innuendo, not facts…they are adults…they deserve to know…keeping it under the cloud and not being transparent is worse…it’s put on a public website, public map by the sheriff…it is generic, the name is not put down…it’s not violating anybody’s privacy…”
Jeff: we’ll look at it.
[Editor’s note: there’s nothing “to look at.” Just do it. One of your three functions as president is to see that Board orders are carried out. If you are not willing to execute Board orders, then resign as president and let’s have the Board vote on a new officer for that function who understands his/her obligations and will carry them out. This is not a monarchy where you, Jeff, get to decide how things are run around here.
And the Board liaison to Safety & Security is actually Harvey Ginsberg, not Jeff. For some reason, people are only contacting the president, as if he has any greater rights or powers (other than the three things he is charged with doing) than any other Board member. He doesn’t.]
2. Shelly Andreas: regarding Judie’s question that nobody answered, is the landscaping a want or a need…the landscaping committee does not do “wants;” it’s what we need…to be a vital community, bring people in, it’s one of the things people look at…we are under budget…beautification…it’s not really beautification; it’s revitalization.
[Editor’s note: kudos to Shelly for suggesting the word “revitalization” in lieu of the word “beautification.” The words are different and have different meanings, and Shelly’s word might actually be an easier sell to those in the community who are skeptical of paying these types of prices for “beautification,” which sounds more like a “want” than a “need.”]
3. Judie Delman:
[Editor’s note: Judie challenged Harvey on his virus updates and policies. Harvey had mentioned Drs. Fauci and Gottlieb as two of his authorities for his comments.
Judie asked if he had spoken to Scott Gottlieb (a physician and 23rd commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) from 2017 until April 2019; he’s currently on the Board of Directors of the drugmaker Pfizer and a partner at a venture capital firm). Harvey said he had not. Judie said she could do so personally if he wanted her to.
Harvey then stated he gets his information from the “news, mainstream media.” Judie expressed her concern about all the break-through Covid positives even with people who have had double shots and the booster shot.
She then inquired about the streets, the curved areas and stop sign areas where the yellow paint is fading, and which were not redone. Deborah stated that this was not part of the resurfacing contract.
Harvey then stated that 99.5% of the hospital cases and those dying from Covid are unvaccinated. This is a statistic that is in fact challenged by some media because of how hospitals are characterizing admissions and deaths and what period of time is being included in the statistic.]
Harvey: the bottom line is you’re responsible for your actions…if you don’t feel comfortable, stay home… Judie: a lot of people in this community have not reported [their Covid diagnosis] …Harvey: we’re not the Gestapo… everybody’s got to be responsible. Judie: you do understand it will get worse with wintertime.
4. Jack Golden: landscaping of the open dirt along most of Cascade Lakes Blvd. and some other areas subsequent to the removal of the ficus… is it budgeted to handle, and if so, when will that be addressed? Shelly Andreas: getting there, we are looking into that, got a few proposals… doing test areas… Cascade Lakes Blvd. has major shade… areas where sod will not grow… test areas of ground cover… next few weeks.
[Editor’s note: ground cover is a great idea; we have it, and we note that it grows very, very fast, so if it takes off, it will likely have to be trimmed back frequently.]
Round Table Discussion: